Mattress Giant was, generally speaking

a pretty good sales job because they paid during training, and even during the low weeks, you’d receive at least minimum wage (just as part of natural variance, a week can be way up or way down). Plus, the sales managers were generally good coaches. (And plus, we actually sold a product which was ballpark to comparable products. And sometimes, genuinely good deals.)

Gulf Development was a bad sales job because they didn’t pay during training, they didn’t tell us until later that you could expect 6 weeks before you started making money. I worked for them way back in 1983 as a 20 yr old. They sell outdoor signs to businesses. They showed us a film of Zig Ziglar (nothing automatically wrong with that, but it is a sign; positive thinking is a good thing, but I’ve since learned that many shakey outfits greatly over-emphasize it; and the sales manager was sometimes, often a blamer). Immediately after training, they took us on this unannounced field trip to get away from “the negative influences of friends and family.” And that is a huge HUGE red flag. Yeah, the whole thing was a lot like a MLM outfit. And no, there was no guarantee of minimum wage, it was commission all the way.

I would be interested in other people’s experiences, the good, the bad, and the in-between.

We have seen, over and over, as you have seen, that MLMs just don’t work

They’re designed to take money from the low level people and funnel it to the high level people, all the while convincing people that they will soon be at the top and making money.

The best thing any of us can do to help you is to encourage you to GET OUT NOW! Yes, get out before you put more money in it.

It looks like what’s happened to you is that you found yourself with a large debt and you’re looking for a fast way to pay it off. MLMs do not work that way. If it were really easy to just use a magic formula and get rich, don’t you think it’d be well known? If these things really did work and make all who entered them wealthy AND helped the people “higher up” in the pyramid, wouldn’t they just start advertising on TV and everywhere else?

There is no easy or sure fire way to get rich quick. Honestly, you have a better chance getting rich in a casino than in an MLM. I’ve looked at the figures for how many people do well in an MLM and the odds show that you’ve got a better chance of getting rich playing blackjack or some other card game at a casino.

To be honest, if you want to pay off the debt, you’ll need to do it the old fashioned way: find a good job that pays well. Or, better yet, find a good job that you love and want to do. Then you’ll enjoy it and do well at it.

Sorry for being so cold-hearted, but that’s the bottom line. Nobody here will want to help you with an MLM because we’ve all seen what a pack of lies all of them are.

I am NAZAR,firstly i am kindly requesting please be with me little time to hear my LIFE STORY!

Please! i was doing my own business before and it’s floped. Left with ‘Big Financial Burden’. Then i was struggling too much with many finanical problems somebody told me that doing MLM will solve all the problems. I tried one and another and another…… many but nothing succeed. The only way left going to work but as you know it was not only solving problems but also finding very difficulties to meet the two end. Then now recently agin i came back to MLM by introducing my friend but it was toooo slow and stoped now. Then he brought another one that giving hope and start generating little income even slowly and there is hope it will success but only the problem is downbuilders/referrals. So any body can help me in any way please! i am begging to you all. Friends! i dont want to be rich just to survive first then if i can solve the ‘financial burdens’ (i had due to business flop) before i die! That is all freinds!

Any help is appreciated

In May, my wife got involved with an MLM – Nefful USA. She is a caring, nurturing person, who leans towards belief in “alternative” medicines, and these guys sucked her in, and I don’t know how to get her out.

I have tried arguing, pleading, reasoning, even trying to help her be successful, hoping that she would see that even with my help (I run the Sales department for a $25 million real company) that this MLM was a sham. Nothing works. She belives the testimonies from people who have miraculously healed everything from hangnails to Parkinson’s disease by wearing clothing that generates “ions”. To me, it looks like acrylic, but costs like sable.

But she is putting in about 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. I guess at that rate she is making about a quarter an hour, but is convinced she is on the road to riches.

I have seen similar comments frm others in posts here. How do you get through to someone who mixes up a business with a cult? Deos anyone know about these crooks at Nefful?

There is a post in the moderation queue that is strongly

I’ve been able to see it and it’s the kind of thing that we’d all never see on the list because of the content. There are parts of it that are so typical of MLM-speak and reminded me so much of the mis-truths, mis-representations, and mis-directions of “The Plan” when I was asked my my ex-gf to see it, that I’ve asked Paine to let it through.


I’ve posted on logical fallacies before and one thing we’ve talked about over and over and over are the ways MLMs twist the truth.

Well, this is a perfect example of that. It’s statements made by the faithful, considered by the faithful to be a true representation of how wonderful their group is and why everyone in the world should join.
It’s typical MLM-speak, which means it pretends to make sense and even seems to make sense when read late at night, after a few beers, but, when examined with the slightest focus on logic, falls to pieces in the light of day.

So, by my request, this post will be let through.

Then I’m going to take it apart, piece by piece, not caring if the
original poster can respond or not. My intent is not to belittle or to call names, but to take the typical recruitment BS and create a template we can all use to focus on what is wrong with with these speeches.

It may help, at some point, when we hear from someone who has just been exposed to the big lie because we can start a discussion and ask them questions about what they’ve heard, repeat (roughly) what’s been said, then use more questions to get them to see how the statement is so misleading.

So if you hate the post or find it offensive, blame me. I ask that others join with analyzing what is said, but not in a mean or vindictive way. Do this dispassionately so we can focus on truth, not anger or other feelings or opinions. The purpose is not to call anyone names, but to understand the fallacies and to deal with them.

If you do find the post offensive, I would suggest finding the parts that you find to be untrue or rude and pointing them out. After all, if a person doesn’t see their mistakes, they can’t learn from them.